Tuesday, August 30, 2005

My name is Brooke and I am a Quixtar widow. No, my husband is not dead, but he might as well be, because if it is not from, by, for or about Quixtar, he is not interested. I am not exagerating. Every event must revolve around Quixtar, or we simply do not attend. Frankly, I am bored, and tired, and ready for life again, the way it used to be before Quixtar moved in and became my husband's mistress. I have been married to an otherwise wonderful man for 24 years. However, Kevin has been addicted to the lure of MLM pitches for years.

You will note that I will use words and acronyms like "pyramid", "MLM", "cult", etc. This is my blog, and it feels quite good to say, in the words of Napoleon Dynamite, "whatever I want." I have been sub-controlled by Quixtar for so many months that my freedom of expression has been squelched beyond belief. In my household, unless it pertains to "the Big Q", I am discouraged to voice any opinions, concerns, or statements. Until now. If you are uncomfortable with what you read here, there of plenty of pro-Quixtar blogs, so "go get it!" See that little X box at top right of this window? Click on. Oh, and to set precedence now, I will not comment or respond to any Quixtar IBO’s insistence that Quixtar is not an MLM (multi-level marketing) organization. Are levels involved? Do these levels illustrate a pyramid? Enough said. Read on...

For those of you who have never heard of Quixtar, enjoy this blissful ignorance while you can, because sooner or later, you will be approached. Even though they themselves will say, "this plan is not for everyone," if you refuse to sit and listen to "The Plan", or worse yet (gasp!) insist that it is indeed not for you after you do listen to it, get ready. You may think your friend/presenter is truly possessed, according to the arrogant, defensive response this refusal to sign up will yield. "Well, okay, if you don't want to retire a millionaire in five years, that's your business. Hmphh!" Uh, yes, you may retire a millionaire; but the millionaire whose retirement you are padding is not you. It will be one of several cunningly talented, charismatic Big Q. Shots who travel the country with a slick gift of convincing John Q. that he really can become rich selling Amway (yes, Amway!), by spending every waking moment, every liquid penny, and every last friend he has. That's right, the motivators very effectively coach on how to lure virtually every unsuspecting Joe Blow into viewing The Plan. After all, it's a numbers game. The IBO (oh that's right, they are impressively called "Independent Business Owners"...oooooh!) learns early on that the more times they show the plan, the greater the entrapment, er...recruitment number of new IBOs under them.

When this plan is presented with charm and finesse, it actually appears to be scientifically and logistically sound. Trouble is, human imperfections and natural character traits are not factored in. For example, a more realistic plan would demonstrate that a real person will get tired of spending the hundreds of dollars each month on the same items he can purchase at Sam's or WalMart ("Man, I could really use $200 of this to keep my electricity on this month"), and/or he or she may get tired of the constant recruiting to replace the wandering who have abandoned their own financial commitments, and instead decide to spend time with loved ones or on the hobbies they miss. This is the irony. The big pay-day never comes for over 90%; yet they are working nearly every waking moment for months, or even years, so they do not have to work so hard. Then when it is time to retire, one of the aforementioned setbacks occur, and they never make it. In fact, they have even taken a step back, because many have depleted savings, compromised friendships and sacrificed "real" jobs, as they get caught up in the promise of the big payoff.

Kevin tried several MLMs, going full circle from Amway in the 80's, to the more contemporarily monikered "Quixtar", which I know is just "Internet Amway". Oh, and there were several in between, all sucking our family dry of resources, including exorbitant time and money. We have been late on mortgage payments, suffered NSF bank fees, been unable to take decent vacations or afford new clothes, and it was always in conjunction with his current MLM.

Two years ago, after a particularly miserable year-long period contolled by yet another pyramid org -- think "long distance services" and it may come to mind -- I was just about ready to jump ship when Kevin did an about-face. He had blown through a lot of money to recruit ("if I pay their way in, they'll eventually make us rich!") and we were sinking fast. He was gone every single night of the week; he spent no time coaching our teenage son in football anymore, even though he himself was a celebrated college jock who was certainly capable; and our sex life was down the tubes. He had virtually no interest in his real job and his commissions were just about non-existent. My salary alone was just not enough to get us by, because we depend on two to keep up the lifestyle which he insists is "nothing compared to what Quixtar will afford us!" Like so many others, when Kevin becomes a willing victim, under the control of one of these marketing cults, he shuts out everything else in his life, including an actual income-producing career! But just as I was about to crash, Kevin seemed to employ some good common sense and insisted that he was done with these ridiculous layered orgs that promise riches and glory. He said he then realized that, by calculating the money and time he had spent and formulating that along with what it had detracted from his previous income, that these MLM orgs were robbing us blind! Voila! All by his little self; he figures this out. Not to mention that everyone in our church and neighborhood clubhouse functions practically ran when they saw him coming; that finally got to him. He said he realized how ridiculous it all was, and said if I could forgive him and start fresh, that he vowed to never-ever embark on a pyramid journey again.

For two years, together we labored to catch up and get ahead. We even enjoyed a fabulous vacation in Hawaii last year. Our son started letting down his guard again and bonded with his dad, Kevin got promoted to Sales Manager at work, with a guarantee of $90,000 plus commission, so I was able to go part-time to spend more time at home. Life was good. Then it happened.

An old "friend" called and wanted to take Kevin out to lunch. Kevin said that when they sat down, "John" said, "Friend, while I was waiting for you I couldn't help but notice the stress in your office. I hate that you still have to work for 'the man', under that ol' thumb...putting someone else's kids through college. I really care about you, so I'd like to show you a plan that will enable you to enjoy the freedom that I have. I get up when I like, I go where I like, I do what I like. And after I continue to work hard at this for the next couple of years, I will be a millionaire. Sound good?"

And so it began. Kevin came home so excited I thought we'd won the lottery. He swung me around screaming "we're gonna be rich!" and "you can quit your job completely now!" Yada, yada, yada. Forget the promise he had made. Yes, I tried reason. Nothing worked then, and nothing works now...nearly a year later. As other widows and widowers can attest, if we even attempt to reason with them, our beloved obsessed mates become irrational and defensive. Kevin would scream at me, "YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW HOW 'THE PLAN' WORKS SO YOU CANNOT COMMENT ON IT! DO YOU JUST NOT WANT TO BE RICH?"

So I patiently viewed "The Plan." Not impressed. First of all, why in the world was he getting so excited about a plan that at most, if he is very productive by working every waking moment, net him a couple of grand per month? He brought in (notice I use past tense here) well over a hundred grand at his real job. "But we will be millionaires with this plan, Honey, I promise! Trust me" I even tried calculating what it would require financing the people under him as he does, our money spent, etc., and even though it was on paper, he would still not budge.

But this is not the worst part. Quixtar is an outfit that strongly preaches spousal commitment and total submission, and surrounding oneself primarily with other Big Q members, unless of course, you are recruiting. Spouses are expected to commit and follow…no exceptions. I tried this, so that I could truly understand The Plan. My first meeting was a huge conference, filled to the rafters with overzealous IBOs. The first thing that struck me was that even though these were independent "business owners", the majority of them dressed in almost shabby clothing, like cheap fabric suits with low quality neckties for the men; dated hair and makeup and unstylish clothes for the women. And the parking lot was filled with very old cars. Not a good sign for a millionaires' conference.

They had come from all over the country. As we began, curiously, hundreds began to pull out the same staples from their bags; the nasty tasting energy drinks and protein bars that they push on everyone else. ("Mmmm; these are great...really!") When you are paying $300 a month for this crap, you'd better learn to like it! Then the real "fun" began. Every time a new speaker approached the podium, I thought either Brad Pitt or Jesus had arrived, according to the screams. One after another, they preached and preached how the plan had made them independent and wealthy; how everyone in the auditorium could do it if they just wanted it badly enough! Thunderous applause and screaming continued. Of course, the lobby was filled with marketing collateral for sale at a hefty price, and each speaker's address included plugs that suggested that no one would be successful without a stockpile of these items.

Of course, Kevin was shocked when I did not do a 180 degree turnaround after this. I tried; I really did. I finally said, "Show me the money." He said, "You just saw it! All those speakers are millionaires! You are unbelievable." I agreed that yes, those speakers are millionaires, thanks to tens of thousands of subservient little peons like us, but show me any normal recruit that is making even $30,000 a year, and I will eat my words. He has yet to do that. He insisted that I give it time and believe in her husband like all the little cult wives do, so we struck a bargain. We would give it one year. I would support him and "keep the home fires burning", while he works "his business." So far, after 11 months, the most he has made in one month is $37. Yep...$37. Oh, but also factor in the $300 a month we spend for the pathetic products, the three or four hundred a month on books, etc., the four or five hundred a month we spend on socializing to recruit, and get this...the over $2000 per month he loses in real job commissions while he is building this business. You can add it up, but basically, since we are losing over $36,000(!) per year, I am having to go back to work fulltime because of Quixtar. And he still thinks we will be millionaires.

My favorite meeting was a "church meeting", when the Big Guy (L.W.) "preached" and held an altar call to lead the lost to Christ. I am a born again Christian and honestly, he almost impressed me with this one. I love to see lost s0uls come to know Christ. But when he addressed the OVER 1000 newly "saved" members with something like, "Now that you are saved, first off, find a good Church, and more importantly, use this salvation for Quixtar." Huh?

Mind you, I have not expressed my despair, at least not in the depth I have shared here, with Kevin. I did agree to our deal, and it has not been quite one year. Just last night, he attended the meeting that gets him all fired up and high-fiving his Q-brothers and sisters. Afterwards, I asked him how it went, while I rubbed his back. Still losing much more than we are making, though. I have supported Kevin's Quixtar Quest. I have smiled, entertained, sat sweetly by as he showed The Plan to poor, defenseless friends. But I have also watched my back account dwindle, my friends leave me, and my happiness wane. They say the plan is not for everyone, right? Well, they are right about something; it is not for me. So in four weeks, Kevin will receive the anniversary present he obviously wants: a separation. Quixtar, you win.

I have mixed emotions. I am already aching for the love I will walk away from. But honestly, I have not felt that for a very long time. I admire the wives who seem to be ecstatic about this plan and I wish you well. On a positive note, I look forward to making a new life that does not involve the Big Q. After a long grieving period, perhaps someday I will find love, or at least "like alot" again. I am also looking forward to saving my money, and even having some to spend on my son and me...perhaps we'll splurge with what we were spending on Quixtar and go on a cruise. Imagine what kind of things Kevin and I could have done with that $36,000 we spent on Quixtar this past year? I would love to hear from any other QW's! Please have a blessed day!

38 Comments:

At 5:42 PM, Blogger Loser said...

What a post!

Sorry to hear about ur husband. May him rest in peace.

 
At 6:29 PM, Blogger lawDawg said...

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At 6:30 PM, Blogger lawDawg said...

My condolences on your loss.

This is an outstanding post, though.

I look forward to reading more.

 
At 12:58 PM, Blogger Loser said...

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At 1:58 PM, Blogger xanadustc said...

I will pray for you, as I do so many other people so terribly inflicted with pain in this thing.

There is hope, however. I was once so into the system like your husband is. I have decided to disclose to the public the teachings of their system on my blog. I hope it will help.

Also, the business is founded on the false teachings of Word-Faith movement. It is an apostasy to the truth of Scripture and the 'alter calls' are not subjective of those who actually accept Christ as much as accept the Quixtar system for their own salvation. Keep up the faith and pray. He may come around.

Peace be with you,
X

 
At 3:42 PM, Blogger Mevious said...

Incredible post... I haven't been able to admit to my now-fiance that the plan I showed her (at the coersion of my upline, no less, I didn't want her involved) - was a lie, and I was taken advantage of for a year, and lost nearly $4,500...

My sympathies.

 
At 4:27 PM, Blogger mlmscam said...

Before you totally give up hope and abandon the marital ship, remind your husband next month - when the year period is up - that you two had a deal, and that you stuck to your end of the bargain; and now it is his time to realize that the quixtar game is over, and that the scamming lifestyle has to now come to an end. If he refuses to acknowledge this, then, I don't want to admit this, but he never was a good husband in the first place, and that you are now better off without him.

 
At 5:26 PM, Blogger Dorothy Still In Oz said...

I'm with mlmscam, QWidow, at least give your husband the chance to quit. You never know...hopefully he will choose you over the business...I know this is unlikely, and he will regret it for the rest of his life once he realizes that he's lost you for good.

 
At 6:06 PM, Blogger Lindus said...

After reading this and other postings I am happy I didn't fall for the spiel I was given.
Although the recruiters I happened to meet must have been seriously inept. First they showed me a video for "Britt Enterprises" which was almost 10 years old, so no mention of the internet at all. Then after that there was much bragging about how this guy had no schooling at all and still made so much money, which in my case with a family of academics didn't go very well.
As soon as I heard I had to sell and talk multiple other people into the scheme I knew it was a pyramid situation. I just told them I would pass and left. Surprisingly no comments were done by the recruiters after I said "I think I will pass" and I even had to let myself out of the building.
An experience it was and I must chalk it up as something one has to go through to see what kind of stupidity exists in this world.

QWidow, hand in there, give your husband his ultimatum and tell him he has to choose, either "get-rich-quick schemes" or you. If he cannot make the "right" decision you know what the right thing to do is. All I can say is I hope your son will not be as gullible as his father...

With hopes for good times,
/Lindus

 
At 7:12 PM, Blogger QuixtarWidow said...

Thank you all so much! Whew! I held my breath until I had read each comment. Somehow I thought the Quixtar Brigade would have found me out and be waiting with a "new" (usually several years old, you are right,lindus!) motivational tape in one hand and a lasso in the the other, so they can tie me up and drum the "truth" into my head!

I could not have said it better, xanadustc, when you stated: "the business is founded on the false teachings of Word-Faith movement. It is an apostasy to the truth of Scripture and the 'altar calls' are not subjective of those who actually accept Christ as much as accept the Quixtar system for their own salvation."

That is EXACTLY how I felt when I witnessed this. It was very eerie; a blatant display of cult activity. So it was not just this once? They do that at most of their three day conferences? Scary.

Thanks for your prayers, so very much. And you are right; I did agree to a full year. Who knows, maybe he will come around, like you said. We did agree on that period. I will keep you posted.

I have had NO ONE to confide in. Thanks for your support! It means more than you can ever know!

 
At 5:41 AM, Blogger quixmire said...

"So it was not just this once? They do that at most of their three day conferences? "

Every single one I ever attended in 20 years of being a cult member. And in those 20 years, I saw the SAME PEOPLE answer that altar call over and over again. You know why? Because it had been drummed into their heads that they couldn't have REALLY accepted Christ if their business wasn't growing! So, three times a year, up they went with tears streaming down their faces, hoping that THIS TIME it would "take" and they'd be on the road to diamond soon.

 
At 5:52 AM, Blogger GrandparentoftheBrainwashed said...

I feel for you. I know what you are going through, having watched it happen to my own kids. I feel so bad for them. Atleast you realize what it really is, and aren't caught up in the brainwashing. They haven't come close to waking up yet.

 
At 10:10 AM, Blogger arod said...

Wow! I never realized the Big Q was like that. I've toyed around with the idea a couple of times, I guess I should really think about if it's really like that!

 
At 10:21 AM, Blogger QuixtarWidow said...

Hi guys. Well, Kevin left this morning for a huge conference in Kentucky with his annoying little upline, and her idiotic passive aggressive butt-kissing hubby. When I told Kevin I was starting my new job (yay!) on Tuesday, he replied with one of those stupid Q-quotes, "Well, fine if that makes you happy, but you know a J.O.B. stands for "just over broke, Hon." Uh, well, let's see at $71,000, I am nearly doubling what you just SPENT, so shuttie! Yep, that makes me happy.

Then he looked up from another one of his idiotic Q books last night, when I came to bed (Dang, I had hoped he would be asleep!) and said, "You know, Sweetie, it's never too late to become what you always knew you could be." Or something like that...the gagging sound coming from my own throat kept me from hearing the last of it. Does he not realize how contrived he sounds??

Looking forward to being alone this weekend. I can relax without hearing the Q-spiel. No one in my family, and none of my friends, know how bad it is for me, so I will not call for their company. Since he is constantly recruiting, a couple of them did ask me to "call Kevin off" of them. How embarrassing!

FOUR WEEKS LEFT. I am being sweet and "good", but God, I miss life.

Sorry for rambling and thank you for letting me vent!

Hugs,
QW (Brooke)

 
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At 3:31 AM, Blogger Moe said...

QuixtarWidow wrote: I could not have said it better, xanadustc, when you stated: "the business is founded on the false teachings of Word-Faith movement. It is an apostasy to the truth of Scripture and the 'altar calls' are not subjective of those who actually accept Christ as much as accept the Quixtar system for their own salvation."

I don't mean to attack your faith or anything but at some point it has probably occurred to you that part of the reason you are in this mess is because your husband and your church both insist that you should be the submissive wife. If your husband is a regular churchgoer and they preach that stuff, then the blame may be more on the church teachings than on him, since he's probably just soaking that stuff up and believing it to be true (not that he has no responsibility, but he certainly wouldn't be the first guy who's gotten a "superiority complex" after sitting through a few too many sermons).

Therefore I want to give you a URL. You may not need or even appreciate it today, but save it just in case. It is http://www.exchristian.net/ and I suggest you start by just reading the testimonies on the site, they may open your eyes to a few things. I don't recommend reading the comments so much because they tend to degrade into a lot of pointless arguing and also a few of the posters can be quite profane on occasion (I truly wish the webmaster would moderate the comments a bit better).

Don't let the name of the site put you off too much, many of the individual testimonies are from people who have fled abusive churches, and some have stories that are in many respects similar to yours. All I am saying is that your beliefs may be part of the problem and if you don't deal with that issue now, it may be much harder for you to escape the trap you're in.

 
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At 7:24 PM, Blogger Ann said...

Dear Brooke,

I can see you and your family have gone through alot and for that I am sorry. I am actually looking for an IBO at this time to be sponsored. This may sound outrageous, but I figured out the formula to succeed in this business. I am NOT an IBO, but need a SPONSOR. Please give this to your husband to SPONSOR ME...I am the "regular joe" who is going to be rich and will be pushing you both ahead of me. DO NOT IGNORE THIS MESSAGE! Let me help you while I help my family. I don't have much time...two months!


Best wishes,
A Friend
email: annarefic@hotmail.com
whitley5000@verizon.net

P.S. If you all have spent $36,000 in Quixtar in one year and only make $37....you're doing it wrong...Let me help!

 
At 8:48 AM, Blogger perceptive said...

So, is the 'trial 1-year period' over yet? Has your husband quit the cult yet?

I feel for you. I hope and pray your husband sees the light and snaps out of it.

 
At 5:30 PM, Blogger Lisa said...

First I think Ann's comment is like adding salt to the wounds. Next, I too was married to a Quixtar fanatic. We weren't even married a year. Had we stayed together, at the time right before we separated, I was working a job that required a lot of weekend nights and I was planning on working lots of them so I didn't have to attend those horrid meetings, events, etc. For me since we weren't married long, the divorce was a good thing (even though he was the one who filed because I was upset about the time the "business" took from our new and developing marriage. I wish you and your son the very best, you deserve someone who is not addicted to something that takes them away from you and your son too much and robs you, as well.

 
At 12:06 PM, Blogger antiquixtar said...

my fiancé and i started quixtar in june of 05. we are associated with bww. four months later i left him because he turned into your husband. he came around and got out of their cult, but it really hurt us. i am grateful everyday that i was able to get him out, much longer in the business and i doubt i would have been able to. still almost two months later he has no friends. he lost them all because his up line told him anyone outside of this business will bring in negative and that they will be his friends, and of course now they wont talk to him because he left, so he has no one. he refuses to believe that there is anything wrong with the business and is only out of it because of me. some days i wish he was just in it. i feel like i will spend the rest of my life hearing...we would be multi millionaires if we were still in the business. if only three months we were over 8000.00 in debt, buying products and tools. we had made about 670
00. and you really cant consider that "making" money when we still had 8000.00 in debt. the money that you spend on products, functions, kate, one domain, open meetings...etc... didnt kill me as much as it did to see how much this business was sexist. they seperated the men from women. it started when we hit 1000pv i was no longer allowed to go to show the plan with my fiancé, unless there was another woman there. ok i suppose if you have kids at home to take care of, but we dont!

Then when you go to functions anything that the two of you qualified to get into, only men could go to. (and single women in the business) kinda strange seeing as how it is "our business" did you ever see the men and women together when they went diamond? then men are always somewhere and the women are somewhere else. here in the Midwest, after spending every night of the week out showing the plan or at some open meeting, every weekend they would all get together and drive hours to find the closest emerald or above out at their "hang out" so i never was able to see my fiancé, he spend all his time with these people. i was trained that in my car when i would come home from work i would have to turn my raido off and turn it onto cd so that when he got in my car and turned it on it would start the cd otherwise he would tear me apart for not listening to multi millionaires tell me how to make money. kinda creapy. then of course he had to spend how much on a suit (only from diamonds mens wear) and the white shirt to go under it, because his up line said only white. and the johnston murphy shoes, because its duplication, and you have to do what your up line does. and when iw as allowed to go to things, i had my dress code that my "lady up line" gave me. Black or brown suit coat, non revealing shirt, skirt(and only skirt, no pants) down past your knees, nylons, and closed toed shoes. hair not done just worn simple, no facial jewelry. and my fiancé was unable to have any facial hair showing. and we had to keep up with our tan at all times to look presentable. these were just a few of the little things, that the big guys passed down to our one diamond in the mid west and we all had to duplicate. if thats not a cult i dono what is?
the best is having to ask your up line before you do anything. my up line had to wait two years before his sponsor would let him get a radar detector. then of course your first house has to be at least 1 million, and your first car when you go emerald has to be one of three that they choose from. so even if you do ever get big enough to make all this money they promise you that you will make, you have to spend it how they want you too, and ask them before you are able to spend a dime...come on give me a break. any woman that would go along with this would have to be a selfish money hungry lady. really you dont ever get too see your husband, nor do your kids...and it gets worse and worse the bigger you get, all while you sit at home and wait for the money. i once asked my upline how come women cant attend these things and how come they are not allowed to be involved with a lot of things. his response was "women bring negative and gossip into the business" well i guess hes right because after he told me that i was determined to bring as much negative into this poor excuse for a business.
i really enjoyed them not letting my fiancé and i stay in the same hotel room at functions. we have lived together for 5 years and i know its not necessarily right, however how can they tell me if i can or cant stay with my own fiance? they sat us down and explained to us that by the next function that it would be in our best interest to be married by justice of the piece. and the wedding that i had been planning for 8 months i was to just put on hold until we went to peter island someday and just do a big wedding there w/ " all of our close friends" these people are out of their minds, the things they want you to do and say is out of this world. i feel absolutely terrible for you having to go through this, but im so glad there are people like you out there willing to stand up for what they believe in and fight against this thing. i hope that things get better for you. stay strong

 
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At 12:58 PM, Blogger mark said...

I feel for you, I lost one of my dearest friends to the quixtar myth, we have been best friends for over 7 years and now no longer, I viewed my personal feelings a little to much to her and some of her upline and have been cut off, friendship for my negative comments, which were not but onlt stating the truth about the company, last year she made $2500 and had purchases of $4800, that good old guilt ridden PV, this does not include gas, travel,4 major functions a year @$120 per, hotel and food, weekly opens at $6.00 entry fee, monthly BDS meetings at $25.00 per, and all the tools they guilt you into buying, ya she has made a bunch over the last 3 years, buit sais this year she is going emerald, well for one she almost had her car reposessed, called me a few months back and I bailed her out amongst many other tribulations she has encountered, I figure I have lent her in the range of around, or at this point given, $20.000 all in her pursuit for quixtars dream, now looks like I was the real sucker in this deal, ya your right, but her quixtar family has never been there $$$ for her, only to keep pursuing the dream and buying tools, qalso in the meantime she has filed for bankrupcy, lost her home, but in her mind the dream lives on, good luck with the dream and let all the diamonds, emeralds, and uppers continue to suck her and others into poverty while they keep padding there pockets through speaking engagements, tools, seminars, etc, as they always knock the walmarts and other stores of our communities so you can BUY for your own self, business, at inflated prices. Mark from Boise

 
At 12:58 PM, Blogger mark said...

I feel for you, I lost one of my dearest friends to the quixtar myth, we have been best friends for over 7 years and now no longer, I viewed my personal feelings a little to much to her and some of her upline and have been cut off, friendship for my negative comments, which were not but onlt stating the truth about the company, last year she made $2500 and had purchases of $4800, that good old guilt ridden PV, this does not include gas, travel,4 major functions a year @$120 per, hotel and food, weekly opens at $6.00 entry fee, monthly BDS meetings at $25.00 per, and all the tools they guilt you into buying, ya she has made a bunch over the last 3 years, buit sais this year she is going emerald, well for one she almost had her car reposessed, called me a few months back and I bailed her out amongst many other tribulations she has encountered, I figure I have lent her in the range of around, or at this point given, $20.000 all in her pursuit for quixtars dream, now looks like I was the real sucker in this deal, ya your right, but her quixtar family has never been there $$$ for her, only to keep pursuing the dream and buying tools, qalso in the meantime she has filed for bankrupcy, lost her home, but in her mind the dream lives on, good luck with the dream and let all the diamonds, emeralds, and uppers continue to suck her and others into poverty while they keep padding there pockets through speaking engagements, tools, seminars, etc, as they always knock the walmarts and other stores of our communities so you can BUY for your own self, business, at inflated prices. Mark from Boise

 
At 12:33 PM, Blogger Javert said...

How in the world could you spend 36K in one year? I've done pretty well (past platinum) and still have between $100-$200 in overhead a month. Just doesn't make sense.

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At 9:53 PM, Blogger Kyle -aka- Kyori -aka- Séyladine said...

It would appear they are aiming at the younger generation as well. Me and my friend, we're both 19, and he quickly let Quixtar/IBO and all that crap eat at him quickly, while in fact I ALMOST felled for it, until I did a little research on my own.

I express my heartfelt sympathy for your dearly departed husband, he's gone nuts.

But, I wish you well in everything you do if he realizes his mistake, or he doesn't.


- K. Tropicana!

 
At 1:54 AM, Blogger Childhood Widow said...

I don't know how old this line of thread is, or if someone still reads this blog. but i thought i should comment here. My parents were in AMWAY when I was young. I was eleven...looking after much younger children while the folks were off "drawing the circles". I am plaqued now with a constant need to mother because i was exposed to it too early in life. I watched after a ten year old (my real brother), a two year old, and an under one year old child night after night because of these get rich quick schemes. I raised my mothers children so they could go and talk to other people and convince them that their "plan" would allow them to spend more time with their family. I am posting here because i hope that this will reach some parent somewhere that will realize that you are not helping your family by these schemes. They miss you. And they want you home to read stories to them and to tuck them in at night....not to share the PLAN with others. I have succeeded in my life despite the fact that my parents heaped such a huge responsibility on me. But I am stubborn. Most people are not. I want to urge parents who are about to embark upon such schemes to think about their children...not about to "provide" for them...but about their ability to function after they are pushed into a position of responsibilty beyond what their age permits. Every single one of these posts I have seen do not speak about the children. Yeah, Quixtar Widow...you might have been able to get through, despite your apprehensions...but what about your kids?

 
At 1:56 PM, Blogger quixtarisacult said...

Your post is a little aged, but my heart goes out to you. I hope things in your Quixtar world have improved since 2005. People that have no clue might wonder how people are victimized by cult business systems like Quixtar/Amway Global. They just do not see the wasted time and money that could be put to better use. These sacrifices to the Quixtar Cult godz are soul destroying in the long and short of things. I have devoted much time and energy to writing a blog to help folk lost in these scam cults find answers. You can read by Quixtar Cult Intervention blog:

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At 6:37 PM, Blogger peggygian said...

Many years ago, I read a couple of books about network marketing, saying it would be the wave of the future for various reasons, insecurity in jobs, more work for less pay, inflation, etc. It said that almost everyone would have a finger in some sort of pie to make extra money.
So, along came Amway. We thought it made sense, so we joined. And spent way more than we made. Got out. A few years later.....(I know this is really dumb.....) we joined again. This time, going to all the functions and buying all the tapes and books. I was running all over the place delivering stuff.....and then began to realize that the upline had all the products already in their garage, which makes you wonder how fresh much of the stuff is. We somehow saw the light....actually, one night as I was looking around the weekly meeting, casually said to my husband, Ummmm....ya know...we really don't need these people for fellowship, we already have a fellowship at church, and I know they REALLY care about us. So, we left, my husband wanting our $$ back for the unused tapes, and threatening to stand outside the meeting telling everyone that walked in what we really thought about them. We got our $$ back.
So, then, we were in Shaklee. Better products, but same problems. Then it was NSA water filters. OK product, but hard to make $$. Then, lessee.....it was Softron water magnets. Product worked, but non consumable and the top of the line must have run off with the $$ or something. And the problem with them, as well as NSA was that people could buy into a certain level. A friend lost or bought $25k in water filters that she still has in a warehouse somewhere. She didn't ask me first, or I would a nixed it. Big Sigh.
In the meantime, we owned our own carpet cleaning biz for 17 yrs.
Sometime in there we were invited to another 'meeting'. We went, of course, and declined to join, just tried the products, which we absolutly fell in love with. We bought them for a year. Then, a friend that I knew was a business woman said she had just joined this biz. We said we loved the products. She asked it we had seen the bizplan. We hadn't. So we see a plan that didn't have all the pitfalls of Amway, like, no breakaways, no sending check downline.... Well, to make a long story short.....(guess it's too late for that, eh?) Anyway....we have been in it for almost 19 years. Worked at it sometimes, some years not, but over this time they have paid us almost $35k, which has mostly meant we have gotten our products for free plus some. I even look on the net sometimes to see if there are people complaining about them like amway/quix. In fact, I am getting ready to step up my biz, to give me some retirement. The lady that enrolled me has received 6 cars from this company. My problem was I would never stick with it for more than a year. So.....Widow, I hear ya. I hope you guys worked it out.

 
At 6:38 PM, Blogger peggygian said...

Many years ago, I read a couple of books about network marketing, saying it would be the wave of the future for various reasons, insecurity in jobs, more work for less pay, inflation, etc. It said that almost everyone would have a finger in some sort of pie to make extra money.
So, along came Amway. We thought it made sense, so we joined. And spent way more than we made. Got out. A few years later.....(I know this is really dumb.....) we joined again. This time, going to all the functions and buying all the tapes and books. I was running all over the place delivering stuff.....and then began to realize that the upline had all the products already in their garage, which makes you wonder how fresh much of the stuff is. We somehow saw the light....actually, one night as I was looking around the weekly meeting, casually said to my husband, Ummmm....ya know...we really don't need these people for fellowship, we already have a fellowship at church, and I know they REALLY care about us. So, we left, my husband wanting our $$ back for the unused tapes, and threatening to stand outside the meeting telling everyone that walked in what we really thought about them. We got our $$ back.
So, then, we were in Shaklee. Better products, but same problems. Then it was NSA water filters. OK product, but hard to make $$. Then, lessee.....it was Softron water magnets. Product worked, but non consumable and the top of the line must have run off with the $$ or something. And the problem with them, as well as NSA was that people could buy into a certain level. A friend lost or bought $25k in water filters that she still has in a warehouse somewhere. She didn't ask me first, or I would a nixed it. Big Sigh.
In the meantime, we owned our own carpet cleaning biz for 17 yrs.
Sometime in there we were invited to another 'meeting'. We went, of course, and declined to join, just tried the products, which we absolutly fell in love with. We bought them for a year. Then, a friend that I knew was a business woman said she had just joined this biz. We said we loved the products. She asked it we had seen the bizplan. We hadn't. So we see a plan that didn't have all the pitfalls of Amway, like, no breakaways, no sending check downline.... Well, to make a long story short.....(guess it's too late for that, eh?) Anyway....we have been in it for almost 19 years. Worked at it sometimes, some years not, but over this time they have paid us almost $35k, which has mostly meant we have gotten our products for free plus some. I even look on the net sometimes to see if there are people complaining about them like amway/quix. In fact, I am getting ready to step up my biz, to give me some retirement. The lady that enrolled me has received 6 cars from this company. My problem was I would never stick with it for more than a year. So.....Widow, I hear ya. I hope you guys worked it out.

 
At 6:38 PM, Blogger peggygian said...

Many years ago, I read a couple of books about network marketing, saying it would be the wave of the future for various reasons, insecurity in jobs, more work for less pay, inflation, etc. It said that almost everyone would have a finger in some sort of pie to make extra money.
So, along came Amway. We thought it made sense, so we joined. And spent way more than we made. Got out. A few years later.....(I know this is really dumb.....) we joined again. This time, going to all the functions and buying all the tapes and books. I was running all over the place delivering stuff.....and then began to realize that the upline had all the products already in their garage, which makes you wonder how fresh much of the stuff is. We somehow saw the light....actually, one night as I was looking around the weekly meeting, casually said to my husband, Ummmm....ya know...we really don't need these people for fellowship, we already have a fellowship at church, and I know they REALLY care about us. So, we left, my husband wanting our $$ back for the unused tapes, and threatening to stand outside the meeting telling everyone that walked in what we really thought about them. We got our $$ back.
So, then, we were in Shaklee. Better products, but same problems. Then it was NSA water filters. OK product, but hard to make $$. Then, lessee.....it was Softron water magnets. Product worked, but non consumable and the top of the line must have run off with the $$ or something. And the problem with them, as well as NSA was that people could buy into a certain level. A friend lost or bought $25k in water filters that she still has in a warehouse somewhere. She didn't ask me first, or I would a nixed it. Big Sigh.
In the meantime, we owned our own carpet cleaning biz for 17 yrs.
Sometime in there we were invited to another 'meeting'. We went, of course, and declined to join, just tried the products, which we absolutly fell in love with. We bought them for a year. Then, a friend that I knew was a business woman said she had just joined this biz. We said we loved the products. She asked it we had seen the bizplan. We hadn't. So we see a plan that didn't have all the pitfalls of Amway, like, no breakaways, no sending check downline.... Well, to make a long story short.....(guess it's too late for that, eh?) Anyway....we have been in it for almost 19 years. Worked at it sometimes, some years not, but over this time they have paid us almost $35k, which has mostly meant we have gotten our products for free plus some. I even look on the net sometimes to see if there are people complaining about them like amway/quix. In fact, I am getting ready to step up my biz, to give me some retirement. The lady that enrolled me has received 6 cars from this company. My problem was I would never stick with it for more than a year. So.....Widow, I hear ya. I hope you guys worked it out.

 
At 6:33 PM, Blogger You May Say I'm A Dreamer said...

ohgod. I burst into tears reading this. I know it's a bit dated but... may I ask what happened? did you actually leave him, or did he ever, EVER come to his senses?
The man I thought I was going to marry has become involved in Amway/Quixtar. He said it was "for us" so we could "have a better future". Once I learned more about I got scared, our relationship started to deteriorate, and now we're on a maybe temporary, maybe not break. I wonder why he's still doing it if he doesn't have me... that's not for "us" anymore, it's just for him. I'm a fool in love though and hoping and praying and pleading with the higher powers that he'll come to his senses one day... I can't stand to see what this crap has done to my otherwise wonderful, sensible, caring, devoted, love of my life. If anyone has any advice on how to go about an actual intervention... (searching for that is the way I came across this post...)

 
At 7:21 PM, Blogger Kevin K. Hemphill said...

Q-Star Widow ...

Your husband has a dream & unfortunately he has picked the wrong vehicle ... your ability to support and believe is important, but your ability to tell him you hate the game( Amway ) and not the player ( your husband ) will hopefully open his eyes, and help him find his dreams in YOU, while building another type of home based business.

Sometimes us ex-jocks named Kevin can be stupid - LOVE OUT LOUD!

Peace & Love,

Kevin K. Hemphill - A Dreamer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRkZvSNTfVs

 

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